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1. Your Eminence you led the Holy Delegation
to a special session of the United Nations on Children held in
New York in 2002. What was your impression of that event?
My impression was very good. I was positively struck by the numerous
interventions, many from heads of state, which demonstrated that
the family is irreplaceable important for children from birth
- or better - from conception - (in accordance with the reserves
made by the Hole See to the approval of the Convention on the
Rights of Children) to the age of 18. It was also very interesting
to see many boys and girls many very young, taking part in the
work groups. Moreover everywhere there were significant posters
of children and young people. One of them a play on words which
can be understood in English, French and Spanish: We are not the
source of problems we are the resources to solve them" Source
and resource is an answer which perhaps not even UNICEF expected
with regard to the question of world population.
Children are not an unbearable weight; they are not the cause
of pollution. They are instead a marvelous gift for the family
for society. Woe to those countries that attack the source of
life with contraception and sterilization, or life itself with
the crime of abortion (as if this were a right cfr Evangelium
Vitae, 11)! Woe to Europe with its demographic Winter!
Several delegations present at the United Nations underlined the
right of children to have a real family founded on marriage, a
family that welcomes and educates children. This is procreation,
which I like to call integral because it is not only biological.
Another poster comes to mind: "We children are not the future
we are the present!"
The final document is positive on the whole and some difficulties
were overcome through discussion, which was not always easy. The
work of the Holy See Delegation, with all the support of Archbishop
Renato Martino and his co-workers, was recognised as most profitable.
I received many words of encouragement for my intervention, which
was simple and to the point, based completely on the experience
of the Church "an expert in humanity" and always a defender
of the child. The teaching of Pope John Paul II was kept well
in mind.
2. What were the main difficulties encountered?
There was a considerable dynamic of work, dialogue and discussion
during the sessions. Some delegation were very concrete and convinced,
such as the United States (which supported, already previously,
the values of the family, chastity, sound education in human sexuality)
and certain southern American countries such as Argentina, Costa
Rica, Honduras, Nicaragua, and many Muslim countries etc. Other
delegations obviously adopted a group discipline. These included
the delegation of the European Union, and the group from Rio,
with very ambiguous statements; and the Canadian delegation which,
from beginning to end, insisted on "other services"
for children and youth (contraception, no genuine reference to
the family, abortionist attitude) giving an interpretation which
it is impossible to share.
In many cases we saw a desire to manipulate things,
despite the evident lack of truth, human depth and respect for
the rights of children. Unless there is full recognition of the
fundamental right to life of the children, everything will fall!
Fortunately there was a good representation of religions at the
UN meeting with the intervention of different delegates with the
support of the Arigatou Foundation. I myself took part with a
special address. I think that religions can play an important
part in promoting respect for the life and dignity of children
and for peace.
3. Your Eminence, you insisted in the demographic
aspect with regard to children and you spoke of "poor Europe".
What did you mean?
If having children is something to be avoided at all costs, as
if they were an unbearable burden and if pregnancy is considered
a sickness, then inexorably Europe will fall into a demographic
winter. By coincidence a few days after the Special UN Session
on Children, I attended a congress in Moscow 30 May to June 1,
2002 on the theme "The Family, tomorrow's hope". In
Moscow I saw the effects of the past pro-abortion ideology, so
fierce and cruel, accompanied by the weakening of family stability,
which lead to the denial of children's rights. Another congress
held in Berlin and sponsored by the Presidents of Germany and
France, respectively Johannes Rau and Jacques Chirac, was dedicated
to the theme "Demography and well-being - a New place for
the family in the economy and in society". If we want a future
worthy of mankind, the family cannot be forgotten, and everyone
must be aware of the effects of its destruction, as it emerges
from the demographic problem. The myth of overpopulation has collapsed
as we can see from the present figures compared to estimates made
years back. It was said that by 2050 the world population, today
a little more than 6 billion, would be 11 billion! Whereas to
day according to experts such as Dumont, with reliable information,
the figure will be nearly 9 billion. The problems lies not in
the quantity, but rather quality. Resources, instead of diminishing,
with work, imagination and respect for the environment, will grow
and so will solidarity of rich countries towards poor countries.
The Pope often encourages "globalisation of solidarity. Rich
countries must not love closed in their egoism, indifference,
this would be "social Darwinism" in which the strongest,
the riches survive and the poor fall exhausted along the way,
without help or hope. One terrible problem is when children have
no family. This is real poverty.
4. Your Eminence did you read the article by
Mr Sartori, who affirms the opposite, published in the Italian
daily Corriere della Sera?
Yes I did and also the clarifications, I cannot understand
why someone so informed would be so badly informed on this subject.
Perhaps more dialogue is necessary and better circulation of information.
5. Your Eminence in Italy the protection of
the human embryo has been defended. What is your opinion?
This is undoubtedly a positive fact demanded by reason and science,
law worthy of the name and not only by faith. All that science
can say about the biological state of the human embryo, its individuality,
and which the Pope recalled in the Evangelium Vitae encyclical
(cfr. 60) helps to justify the dignity of this human person and
his or her right to life. There is no opposition between faith
and reason, just as there is no opposition on the question of
human life, the personal status of the human embryo, from the
moment of conception: this is a truth and not only for Catholics
and other believers. The process of increasing awareness of this
truth is very positive.
6. Your eminence what is your opinion of the
affirmation made by Nobel Prize winner Rita Levi Montalcini that
for the first fifteen days there is no person only a "clot
of cells"?
Perhaps she lacks the courage to speak out in front of more than
70 other Nobel winners, and above all the will to reflect on questions
that come from philosophy, because an authentic scientist cannot
restrict his work to the one dimension of science. For me, a wise
man who deserves credit is Jerome Lejune with whom I have spoken
several times. His conclusions are quite different from those
of Professor Levi Montalcini, but his scientific expertise is
certainly not inferior. Indeed I cannot understand why his findings
have not been given due consideration when Nobel prizes are designated.
In Italy recognition of the duty to protect the embryo is a significant
and positive step, but the path ahead is still long
I imagine
that goal will one day be reached with wisdom, honouring the rich
history of the homeland not only of St Thomas Aquinas, giant of
thought, but also of sound juridical tradition wounded by the
abortion law. The Pope's teaching in defence of the Family and
Life is a great gift and many are beginning to understand what
is the truth and where it lies!
I am convinced that the day will come when there is a general
conversion to the truth mentioned above and that many will feel
shamed, as many already do today, of slavery and racial discrimination!
7. Your Eminence, and about free unions outside
of marriage?
It is a shame that no one realises that the lack of juridical
coherence implicated by free unions! Our Council prepared a document
entitled: "Family, matrimony and 'free unions' (LEV 2000).
These unions offer nothing to society or to themselves; they feel
no obligations or duties, they have no desire for stability. At
least implicitly they demand benefits as if they were valid alternatives
for an authentic marriage and a real family. All believers have
the moral obligation to support the family if they want a future,
Pope John Paul II said the future of humanity passes by the family.
If there is no family, there is no future. Poor few children who
will be born without parents responsible for forming their personality!
We are advancing to the grey kingdom of solitude, where the family
is seen as a "club" with free entry and exit, enjoying
the legal aspects, where for the "couple" the only thing
that counts is the fact of living together here and now!
No one, Catholics in particular can have an easy conscience when
they vote in support of this situation.
8. Your Eminence what about assisted fecundating?
It is important that Italy has rejected heterologous FIVET. But
this cannot lead us to see as legitimate homologous FIVET which
de-humanises the meaning of human sexuality and separates artificially
something inseparable: the unifying and pro-creative significance
of the sexual act (cfr Humane Vitae 12) in its integral capacity
of self-giving.
This truth cannot be put aside by legislators. I will not speak
any longer on this theme because it has been dealt with amply
by the bishops in this country. The Church in Italy has a great
capacity and authority for illumination. I am from Latin America
and in our countries there is a battle, with much dialogue and
not without difficulties for the truth in this field.
9. Your Eminence, it is good that maximum three
embryos can be implanted so as to avoid superfluous embryos, which
have to be preserved until they are cruelly destroyed, don't you
think.
You are right, and this is an affirmation of what is human.
Today what is at stake is humankind, human truth, human anthropology.
To avoid the shameful procedure in the United Kingdom, the destruction
of about 5,000 frozen embryos because they were five years old
is
a shame less. The number of people eliminated with an unjust capital
sentence is smaller. But, admitting the planting in the uterus
of only three embryos on the condition that only three are produced
without the selection of the best to be implanted, is still "programming
death" for most of the embryos produced. According to reliable
statistics, for every 100 women who with the best clinical assistance
receive three embryos, 80 will not conceive, 20 will but, while
4 may have twins, 36 of the 60 embryos implanted were certainly
condemned to die. This means that 276 of the 300 embryos produced
were condemned to die. And this on the condition if the 100 women
only try once. However, since failure often produces a will to
satisfy a desire for a child, the number of embryos condemned
to die grows with the number of implantation attempted. But humankind
is not born from techniques, which plays with life and is seen
more as technical "production" than Love fully human.
Moreover who can say that when this step is taken other will follow?
10. Your Eminence, reproductive human cloning
has been banned
This responds to a position taken by many governments. Cloning
is the summa of manipulation, with all its risks for humanity,
under various aspects, including eugenism
but to reject reproductive
cloning does not justify other types of cloning, therapeutic cloning
which implicates the killing of human embryos.
11. Your Eminence, recently the European parliament
issued new resolutions and recommendations
It is known that these are not compulsory for any nation. However
nations should be protected from forms of pressure, which are
usually accumulated when positions taken are highly controversial.
Many thinkers, like Michel Schooyans, on certain
aspects of the United Nations, in his famous books, pose the question
of respect for national sovereignty. Analogous is the problem
for the European Parliament. In a Europe which is great when it
defends man and human dignity but confused and dark when it fails
to recognize God and God's rights and in this way attacks the
rights of the human person, of human life, and the human family,
would you not agree that rights become no more than rhetoric declarations
without consequences?
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